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Post  fatbob5 on Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:29 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1400491/attenborough-humans-deny-climate-threat


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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Flap Zappa on Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:35 pm

@fatbob5 wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1400491/attenborough-humans-deny-climate-threat


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no the sensible ones have not bought the whole man made climate change nonsense.
climate changes, it always has and it always will until the sun one day blows the atmosphere away.
the case for man made climate change is far from proved.

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Post  Flap Zappa on Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:36 pm



what scientists think over the last 45 years

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Post  fatbob5 on Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:03 am

I hope you and your family had a good Christmas Dean
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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Smelly_bandit on Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:03 am

Man controlling climate change is as todo could as suggesting man can stop or control or hurricane or tsunami

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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Flix on Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:39 am

Many people who are labelled deniers don't deny climate change just the 'fact' thats its man made and therefore something can be done to stop it, it can't be stopped all we can do is prepare as much as possible for what will come about. The climate has changed radically many times, its been hotter its been cooler, even without us, maybe human action has contributed a little and as humans only seemed to have been around for the last major change, to Ice Age and only just survived that, we don't even know that for sure.

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Post  Guest on Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:52 am

@Flix wrote:Many people who are labelled deniers don't deny climate change just the 'fact' thats its man made and therefore something can be done to stop it, it can't be stopped all we can do is prepare as much as possible for what will come about. The climate has changed radically many times, its been hotter its been cooler, even without us, maybe human action has contributed a little and as humans only seemed to have been around for the last major change, to Ice Age and only just survived that, we don't even know that for sure.


That is illogical, as what you propose is that because something has not been invented we cannot change something which is in fact a false premise. Not only that it is also a self defeating argument because if you can indeed slow down the process of the affects of man made global warming then you can then at least do something for those who come after us, being this is not then thinking of ourselves but of those who will come after us.
The fact is the evidence of human affects on global warming is staggering, where nobody has been able in an scientific paper to refute this. If we can also slow down the process then it stands to reason to do so for those who follow after us.
So to claim something cannot be done is both short sighted and made in error, because you have no idea whether something can be invented to stop something.
If you want to refute the scientists I am all ears as to why you think their facts are wrong on humans affecting the climate, being as I am sure you are so well qualified to do so.
If we took your self defeating view, we would have never have found the cure for many things.

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Post  Guest on Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:57 am

Jock McFlap wrote:
no the sensible ones have not bought the whole man made climate change nonsense.
climate changes, it always has and it always will until the sun one day blows the atmosphere away.
the case for man made climate change is far from proved.


Sensible?
Is this coming from your unqualified position?

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Post  Smelly_bandit on Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:41 pm

@Flix wrote:Many people who are labelled deniers don't deny climate change just the 'fact' thats its man made and therefore something can be done to stop it, it can't be stopped all we can do is prepare as much as possible for what will come about. The climate has changed radically many times, its been hotter its been cooler, even without us, maybe human action has contributed a little and as humans only seemed to have been around for the last major change, to Ice Age and only just survived that, we don't even know that for sure.

its quite weird

all this hysteria about stopping man made climate change  brings up a mental image of us all going up to the volcano throwing in the village virgin to appease the climate change god

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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Guest on Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:49 pm

@Smelly_bandit wrote:

its quite weird

all this hysteria about stopping man made climate change  brings up a mental image of us all going up to the volcano throwing in the village virgin to appease the climate change god




And you wonder why people do not take you seriously.

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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Flix on Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:09 pm

Phil Didge wrote:


That is illogical, as what you propose is that because something has not been invented we cannot change something which is in fact a false premise. Not only that it is also a self defeating argument because if you can indeed slow down the process of the affects of man made global warming then you can then at least do something for those who come after us, being this is not then thinking of ourselves but of those who will come after us.
The fact is the evidence of human affects on global warming is staggering, where nobody has been able in an scientific paper to refute this. If we can also slow down the process then it stands to reason to do so for those who follow after us.
So to claim something cannot be done is both short sighted and made in error, because you have no idea whether something can be invented to stop something.
If you want to refute the scientists I am all ears as to why you think their facts are wrong on humans affecting the climate, being as I am sure you are so well qualified to do so.
If we took your self defeating view, we would have never have found the cure for many things.
So now we will merrily go off and tame the sun in the next 10/20 years and everything will be hearts and roses.
Climate change has happened many times before, we just weren't around except for the last one, which almost did us in anyway.
What happens if we can't stop it and we haven't put in place any measures to try and lessen the effects?  Do you believe everything just because some learned person tells you thats how it is - scientists are not infallible, especially if they don't have all the facts and particularly when they don't know they don't have all the facts. Many dread predictions have been made regarding the weather of this planet only to come to nothing, this time when there is something, we get the arrogance of man thinking its all his fault and therefore he can put it right. Oh and if and thats a big if someone comes up with an idea that could stop it - it'll probably bring about an even worse disaster.

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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Nems on Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:19 pm

@Flix wrote:Many people who are labelled deniers don't deny climate change just the 'fact' thats its man made and therefore something can be done to stop it, it can't be stopped all we can do is prepare as much as possible for what will come about. The climate has changed radically many times, its been hotter its been cooler, even without us, maybe human action has contributed a little and as humans only seemed to have been around for the last major change, to Ice Age and only just survived that, we don't even know that for sure.


I don't and never have accepted that climate change is man made. Climate is changing yes it always has but I don't think man can alter what happens to the planet. Mother nature is still too powerful
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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Guest on Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:30 pm

@Flix wrote:

So now we will merrily go off and tame the sun in the next 10/20 years and everything will be hearts and roses.
Climate change has happened many times before, we just weren't around except for the last one, which almost did us in anyway.
What happens if we can't stop it and we haven't put in place any measures to try and lessen the effects?  Do you believe everything just because some learned person tells you thats how it is - scientists are not infallible, especially if they don't have all the facts and particularly when they don't know they don't have all the facts. Many dread predictions have been made regarding the weather of this planet only to come to nothing, this time when there is something, we get the arrogance of man thinking its all his fault and therefore he can put it right. Oh and if and thats a big if someone comes up with an idea that could stop it - it'll probably bring about an even worse disaster.


Again a defeatist view point based on a what if, again from a negative disposition.
The point you miss is that we can in fact do somethings to stem the tide which if does not happen would be irreversible. The very fact that levels of CO2 Levels have decreased in the atmosphere over Europe shows that changing our energy principles can have a better lasting affect for the people, where clearly for years we have seen as increase in people with breathing medical conditions like asthma.
The fact is the scientist here do have exhaustible facts Flix, all of which you seem to be ignoring.
The replanting of many trees has clearly had a positive affect within Europe let alone using different fuel sources. It is our reliance on fossil fuels which is part of the problem
To again base the view we have had weather conditions change over the course of history is by the by, when we can be in a position as stated to do something about at least stemming the affects of Global warming which not only affects us but all of the habitats that many of the different species live in. The very fact that the global warming of seas is having such an adverse affect and many Glaciers are melting is affecting many habitats.
Surely it is important at least to help prevent any further damage that is being done.
Your view on taming the sun is not what is even needed to do things on this planet which can hep the atmosphere, no idea why you would think so.
To me it is not just about humans living today that we should think about, but those who come after us

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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Guest on Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:34 pm

Some interest for posters:






Why, despite overwhelming scientific evidence, do we still ignore climate change? And what does it need for us to become fully convinced of what we already know?
George Marshall’s search for the answers brings him face to face with Nobel Prize-winning psychologists and the activists of the Texas Tea Party; the world’s leading climate scientists and the people who denounce them; liberal environmentalists and conservative evangelicals.
Along the way his research raised other intriguing questions:

  • Why do most people never talk about climate change, even people with personal experience of extreme record breaking weather?
  • Why did scientists, normally the most trusted professionals in our society, become distrusted, hated, and the targets for violent abuse?
  • Why do the people who say climate change is too uncertain become more agitated about the threats of cell phones, meteorite strikes or alien invasion?
  • Why does having children make people less concerned about climate change not more?
  • And, why is Shell Oil so much more concerned about the threat posed by its slippery floors than the threats posed by its products?



http://www.climateconviction.org/



http://www.climateaccess.org/sites/default/files/Main_6%20Reasons%20Youre%20Ignoring%20Global%20Warming.pdf



http://www.greenbiz.com/blog/2014/08/22/why-we-wired-ignore-climate-change

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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Smelly_bandit on Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:26 am

@Nems wrote:


I don't and never have accepted that climate change is man made. Climate is changing yes it always has but I don't think man can alter what happens to the planet. Mother nature is still too powerful
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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:54 am

@Smelly_bandit wrote:
Vile denialist


Denialists very much so, close minded, very much so, ignoring the facts, very much so, bit like religion really, people backing faith based ideas from other denialists.

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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  Smelly_bandit on Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:24 am

In English??
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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:26 am

@Smelly_bandit wrote:In English??


I think your translator is on the brink mate

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Post  Smelly_bandit on Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:31 am

Grow up didge
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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:32 am

@Smelly_bandit wrote:Grow up didge



Stop stamping your feet and screaming smelly.

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Re: David Attenborough warns of Climate Change

Post  nicko on Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:39 pm

I read somewhere that every time a Volcano erupts it puts more co2  into the atmosphere that comes from a few million cars in the course of a year! How many Volcano's are there in the World,  and how many are erupting at the same time?   Could that be true?
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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:56 pm

@nicko wrote:I read somewhere that every time a Volcano erupts it puts more co2  into the atmosphere that comes from a few million cars in the course of a year! How many Volcano's are there in the World,  and how many are erupting at the same time?   Could that be true?


Interesting you should say that Nicko, this maybe of interest:



Volcanoes may be responsible for most of the global surface warming slowdown
Posted on 3 December 2014 by dana1981

A new study has found that when particulates from small volcanic eruptions are properly accounted for, volcanoes may be responsible for much of the slowdown in global surface warming over the past 15 years.

Sulfur aerosol particulates pumped into the atmosphere from volcanic eruptions cause short-term cooling by blocking sunlight. Until recently, climate scientists thought that only large volcanic eruptions had a significant impact on global temperatures. There haven’t been any big eruptions since Mount Pinatubo in 1991. However, studies published over the past few years have found that even moderate volcanic eruptions can pump significant amounts of aerosol particulates into the atmosphere.

Virtually all research into the climate influence of volcanic aerosols has used satellite measurements of particulates in the upper atmosphere (the stratosphere). These satellite measurements only monitor the volcanic aerosol at heights of 15 km and above. The new paper by David Ridley and colleagues studied the amount of volcanic aerosols in portions of the stratosphere that lie below 15 km.

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Post  Smelly_bandit on Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:07 pm

@nicko wrote:I read somewhere that every time a Volcano erupts it puts more co2  into the atmosphere that comes from a few million cars in the course of a year! How many Volcano's are there in the World,  and how many are erupting at the same time?   Could that be true?

Everyone knows that volcanoes are man made nicko
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