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Petrified residents were seen throwing themselves and their children out of windows to avoid being burned to death - others made makeshift ropes by tying sheets together.

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Scotland Yard says six have died and the death toll will rise amid claims dozens are still missing after fire engulfed Grenfell Tower in White City at 1am today.


Several people are feared dead after a fire tore through the Grenfell tower block in West London in the early hours of Wednesday morning. At least 60 people are being treated in hospital. 



Dreadful, the cladding on the outside is suspect fire hazard. 
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Post  Major on Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:21 am

I give thee a MILLION greenies for that statement nicko.

Pandering to the wogs and forun scroungers as normal. again .

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Post  Flix on Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:49 am

I agree the Labour use of this tragedy is disgraceful, its so easy to say what should be/must be/could be done when you aren't in power and responsible for what happens, they are blatantly stirring things up. I also think the government's response at all levels seems slow and useless. The people made homeless could surely be housed in hotels, there must be Premier Inns and the like around there, I'm not suggesting Claridges or whatever, until new homes are found, which could be a while with the housing situation being so bad in London.

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Post  Flap Zappa on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:38 pm

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turns out now that labour reduced the fire regs in 2005
Good time for some political point scoring
yes bob, it does rather show that any inquiry needs to have a wide frame of reference to get at the actual truth of the matter.
It also turns out that the cladding was required to fulfil energy requirements to reach eu climate change targets.

labour have really been whipping up people who are rightly angry about what happened.
There was video of the same labour activist who was outside downing street abusing the troops a few weeks ago, whipping up people there yesterday.
this is not compassion on labours part, this is using a tragedy to score political points and unrest.

I flew in to the Heathrow the other day and saw the block myself. It didn't all burn as one side visible was only burnt from around halfway up.
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Post  fatbob5 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:46 pm

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yes bob, it does rather show that any inquiry needs to have a wide frame of reference to get at the actual truth of the matter.
It also turns out that the cladding was required to fulfil energy requirements to reach eu climate change targets.

labour have really been whipping up people who are rightly angry about what happened.
There was video of the same labour activist who was outside downing street abusing the troops a few weeks ago, whipping up people there yesterday.
this is not compassion on labours part, this is using a tragedy to score political points and unrest.

I flew in to the Heathrow the other day and saw the block myself. It didn't all burn as one side visible was only burnt from around halfway up.


Its difficult for me to get my head around looking at the pictures, its almost as if a large chunk of the building was made of wood
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Post  fatbob5 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:50 pm

Ps which fire regs were scrapped by Labour in 2005
Seems unlikely, its always RWers who are bellyaching about 'Elf'n'Safety' regs
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Post  Flap Zappa on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:56 pm

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yes bob, it does rather show that any inquiry needs to have a wide frame of reference to get at the actual truth of the matter.
It also turns out that the cladding was required to fulfil energy requirements to reach eu climate change targets.

labour have really been whipping up people who are rightly angry about what happened.
There was video of the same labour activist who was outside downing street abusing the troops a few weeks ago, whipping up people there yesterday.
this is not compassion on labours part, this is using a tragedy to score political points and unrest.

I flew in to the Heathrow the other day and saw the block myself. It didn't all burn as one side visible was only burnt from around halfway up.


Its difficult for me to get my head around looking at the pictures, its almost as if a large chunk of the building was made of wood
the cladding is obviously the reason the fire spread, but questions need to be asked about why it was used, and if it met the legal requirements. Seen reports that makers say it cannot be used above 10 meters in the states, but that is the states, if uk rules are different then that also needs to be looked at.

knee jerk reactions are not helpful and rarely get anything done.

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Post  Flap Zappa on Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:58 pm

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I did not say scrapped, I said watered down

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Post  Flap Zappa on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:08 pm

the labour activist whipping up the crowd yesterday
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Post  fatbob5 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:16 pm

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I did not say scrapped, I said watered down
I could spend the next five weeks studying the legislation, or a better idea - you could tell me in what way the changes contributed to the fire
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Post  Flap Zappa on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:17 pm

this seems to sum things up

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Post  fatbob5 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:19 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:the labour activist whipping up the crowd yesterday
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and abusing troops in downing street a few weeks ago
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A few pictures of a curvy ginger woman - all very well and all very nice but I don't see how it adds to the discussion
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Post  fatbob5 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:24 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:this seems to sum things up

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I agree , not everyone in the world is Rylan

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Post  Flap Zappa on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:29 pm

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all valid points, although to be fair labour have only held the seat since last week

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Post  fatbob5 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:37 pm

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the cladding is obviously the reason the fire spread, but questions need to be asked about why it was used, and if it met the legal requirements. Seen reports that makers say it cannot be used above 10 meters in the states, but that is the states, if uk rules are different then that also needs to be looked at.

knee jerk reactions are not helpful and rarely get anything done.
If the fire spread via the exterior and through the windows into the flats surely people would have been able to escape before the fire got to the corridors and the stairs
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Post  Flix on Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:21 pm

The neighbour that the fridge owner warned about the fire said when she answered the door to him the corridor and stairs were already full of smoke, so much so that she went back in and closed the door - apparently. As far as I've been told the single stair way would act as a chimney dragging the smoke up the stairs to the other hallways. If it was that bad, the fire must have already been burning the cladding. The neighbour also said she could see the fire in his kitchen, through his open door and it wasn't a large fire so although it looked small was it already igniting the cladding by going through the wall or through the window? Did the tenant call the emergency services immediately or did he pack his stuff then call, because he was already packed and his case was in the hallway before he decided to warn his neighbours.  A survivor said he couldn't see or breathe when he was trying to get out and only a fire fighter lying on the floor pushed him towards the stairs, the smoke outside was terrible so how bad must it have been inside, no wonder those on the top floors had no chance, they wouldn't have made it down one flight with smoke like that.
I had a small fire in my kitchen involving a small piece of plastic, the fumes were terrible and did fill the room quickly, I managed to put it out but only after getting out of the kitchen a couple of times to breathe and then back in, so how those people had any hope of getting out of those flats I don't know.  If the deaths are only in double figures it'll be a miracle, I say only not in a flippant way but in considering the number of people probably in the flats at the time..

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Post  fatbob5 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:54 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The neighbour that the fridge owner warned about the fire said when she answered the door to him the corridor and stairs were already full of smoke, so much so that she went back in and closed the door - apparently. As far as I've been told the single stair way would act as a chimney dragging the smoke up the stairs to the other hallways. If it was that bad, the fire must have already been burning the cladding. The neighbour also said she could see the fire in his kitchen, through his open door and it wasn't a large fire so although it looked small was it already igniting the cladding by going through the wall or through the window? Did the tenant call the emergency services immediately or did he pack his stuff then call, because he was already packed and his case was in the hallway before he decided to warn his neighbours.  A survivor said he couldn't see or breathe when he was trying to get out and only a fire fighter lying on the floor pushed him towards the stairs, the smoke outside was terrible so how bad must it have been inside, no wonder those on the top floors had no chance, they wouldn't have made it down one flight with smoke like that.
I had a small fire in my kitchen involving a small piece of plastic, the fumes were terrible and did fill the room quickly, I managed to put it out but only after getting out of the kitchen a couple of times to breathe and then back in, so how those people had any hope of getting out of those flats I don't know.  If the deaths are only in double figures it'll be a miracle, I say only not in a flippant way but in considering the number of people probably in the flats at the time..
Where the front doors to all the flats fire doors ?
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Post  Flix on Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:29 pm

Supposedly, the flats were supposed to be safe for at least half an hour to enable rescue. Although even an hour wouldn't have saved the people on the top floor.

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Post  fatbob5 on Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:51 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Supposedly, the flats were supposed to be safe for at least half an hour to enable rescue. Although even an hour wouldn't have saved the people on the top floor.
I realise that a fire door will not be able to stop intense heat, im just wondering what happened at ground zero, did the man with the faulty fridge not close his front door
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Post  smelly-bandit on Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:36 pm

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Its difficult for me to get my head around looking at the pictures, its almost as if a large chunk of the building was made of wood


VERY strange isnt it bob
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Post  Flix on Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:41 pm

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I realise that a fire door will not be able to stop intense heat, im just wondering what happened at ground zero, did the man with the faulty fridge not close his front door
Well it was open when he knocked his neighbour's door as she said she could see the fire, I'm not sure how from the way the flats are laid out though, unless it was quite a blaze, like the whole kitchen was ablaze, in the one bed flats the kitchen is one room across from the front door, along a corridor or she went in to look, not sure about the other flats.

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Post  Major on Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:08 pm

The only thing for certain is that the exterior panels were 
NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

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These coloured ones are in Coventry
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Post  Major on Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:27 pm

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Student accommodation in Coventry recently remodelled.

I wonder if these have been built using the Grenfell outside panels????
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Post  Flap Zappa on Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:15 pm

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NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

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These coloured ones are in Coventry
that's a question that will need answering, were they up to code. in america you cant use them higher than 10meters.

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