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Legal bid to free killer whales is 'strategic error', says conservationist

Post  Seren on Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:38 pm

Biologist warns that Peta's attempt to apply US constitution to non-humans at SeaWorld could undermine scientific argument







A legal bid to free five orcas from captivity at SeaWorld on the grounds that their "enslavement" is in violation of the US constitution is a "strategic error", a conservationist has warned.

The case, brought by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) against SeaWorld in the US, to be heard this week, has triggered controversy over applying the 13th amendment – which abolished "slavery or involuntary servitude" in America – to non-humans such as killer whales.

In the UK, the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society senior biologist Philippa Brakes said that taking a large-brained mammal, which would naturally range in groups over a huge area, against its will and putting it alone in a situation where it was harming itself because of its misery "amounts to slavery".

But she said most of the public would not necessarily see it that way, and they enjoyed seeing orcas and dolphins in marine zoos without being aware of the "hideous lives they're leading".

In the US, Peta has faced criticism over its bid to pursue the freedom of an animal under the 13th amendment.

While the case would bring publicity to the issue of the rights or interests of "non-human persons", something for which some people have been arguing for a long time, if the case fails and there is then case law history against recognising those rights, that would not be helpful for the cause, Brakes warned.

"I would love to be wrong, and that they find for the orcas in this case, but I doubt very much that's going to happen, and I think it's a strategic error," she said.

She said those concerned for the welfare of mammals, in captivity and in the wild, should use the increasing body of science that showed that they were intelligent creatures capable of suffering in order to argue for their interests to be recognised – not as equal to humans, but still "persons" with rights.

The science showed that cetaceans are big-brained marine mammals which form complex societies and even have different cultures within species in different parts of the world, she said. And it was important to take people along with the movement towards recognising the legal rights of non-humans.

"It's more than court cases, it's really about changing people's attitudes and understanding," she said.

While Peta's court case may not deliver freedom for killer whales, Brakes said: "I do think a tipping point is coming. We have to use the science to argue to that tipping point. All we're trying to do is have the genuine interests of these animals recognised."

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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:07 pm

Perhaps this is a wakeup call to those organisations and countries who take wild animals out of their natural environment and use them for entertainment. I personally think that no creatures should be used in this way and would like to see an end to capturing animals so that the public can Gawp at them. No more Zoos or artificial wild life parks. One of the saddest sites I have ever seen was of a most magnificent and beautiful animal - A bengal tiger, stuck in a bloody cage.

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Post  Flap Zappa on Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:29 pm

Fred Bloggs wrote:Perhaps this is a wakeup call to those organisations and countries who take wild animals out of their natural environment and use them for entertainment. I personally think that no creatures should be used in this way and would like to see an end to capturing animals so that the public can Gawp at them. No more Zoos or artificial wild life parks. One of the saddest sites I have ever seen was of a most magnificent and beautiful animal - A bengal tiger, stuck in a bloody cage.

however without zoos and places like seaworld valuable research could not be done in saving endangered animals.
there are more tigers in private hands in america alone than in the wild. Without that safety net the tiger could be a thing of the past in the near future.
Zoo do a magnificent job in saving countless species from disappearing all together. And they fund much of that work by having paying visitors.
Many animals have a much safer and longer life in captivity than they could expect in the wild.
for instance a lion or a tiger may well range far and wide in the wild, but they have to do that to find food. the natural state for a lion is to be asleep or balls deep in a female. they only move to find food or water.

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Post  Hugh Jardon on Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:42 pm

Flap Meister wrote:

however without zoos and places like seaworld valuable research could not be done in saving endangered animals.
there are more tigers in private hands in america alone than in the wild. Without that safety net the tiger could be a thing of the past in the near future.
Zoo do a magnificent job in saving countless species from disappearing all together. And they fund much of that work by having paying visitors.
Many animals have a much safer and longer life in captivity than they could expect in the wild.
for instance a lion or a tiger may well range far and wide in the wild, but they have to do that to find food. the natural state for a lion is to be asleep or balls deep in a female. they only move to find food or water.

The kids off South Park managed to release one back to its natural habitat, which is the moon.
They are top creatures and (as most people know) are actually dolphins....which beggars the question as to why kiddies with a terminal illness don't go swimming with them instead. Twisted Evil
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Post  Flap Zappa on Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:35 pm

@Hugh Jardon wrote:
Flap Meister wrote:

however without zoos and places like seaworld valuable research could not be done in saving endangered animals.
there are more tigers in private hands in america alone than in the wild. Without that safety net the tiger could be a thing of the past in the near future.
Zoo do a magnificent job in saving countless species from disappearing all together. And they fund much of that work by having paying visitors.
Many animals have a much safer and longer life in captivity than they could expect in the wild.
for instance a lion or a tiger may well range far and wide in the wild, but they have to do that to find food. the natural state for a lion is to be asleep or balls deep in a female. they only move to find food or water.

The kids off South Park managed to release one back to its natural habitat, which is the moon.
They are top creatures and (as most people know) are actually dolphins....which beggars the question as to why kiddies with a terminal illness don't go swimming with them instead. Twisted Evil

I have been to seaworld in florida and the place is fantastic and the shows are incredible and occasionally you can see one of the whales eat a trainer if you are lucky.
As the whales breed there they must be doing something right.








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