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Post  Smelly_bandit on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:22 pm

[size=35]French counter-terrorism experts have identified 64 suburbs in dozens of cities that act as breeding grounds for Islamic extremism.[/size]


[size=35]So-called 'ghettos' with high rates of youth unemployment, immigration and single-parent families, such as L'Ariane near Nice, have been linked to the radicalisation of young and vulnerable people.[/size]


[size=35]French Prime Minister Manuel Valls last month admitted that the country had collapsed into social and ethnic 'apartheid' - the first time a senior politician has conceded that economic marginalisation and religious tensions have led to serious divides.[/size]


[size=35]Until 17 people were killed in January's shocking Charlie Hebdo terror attacks, the French government remained largely consistent in its claim that overriding 'Frenchness' was a unifying factor more powerful than loyalties to local communities or religious belief.[/size]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937879/France-identifies-terrorism-breeding-grounds-Ghettos-high-unemployment-large-numbers-single-parent-families-mainly-immigrants.html
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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:39 pm

Nice spin on words again by the Daily Der Sturmer. I mean it once supporter Hitler and Mosley, as against women's rights, and now this claiming no go zones, I just laugh at the shit this Nazi rag continues to print.





The Daily Mail has a shameful history of anti-Semitism.
In the 1930s, the newspaper supported Hitler as well as Oswald Mosley and his British Union of Facists.
Here’s Lord Rothermere – the original owner of the Daily Mail and great-grandfather of the present owner – with a good friend of his:

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And here are extracts from an exchange of letters between the Mail’s owner and Hitler:
Adolf Hitler letter to Lord Rothermere (7th December, 1933)
I should like to express the appreciation of countless Germans, who regard me as their spokesman, for the wise and beneficial public support which you have given to a policy that we all hope will contribute to the enduring pacification of Europe. Just as we are fanatically determined to defend ourselves against attack, so do we reject the idea of taking the initiative in bringing about a war. I am convinced that no one who fought in the front trenches during the world war, no matter in what European country, desires another conflict. 
Lord Rothermere, telegram to Adolf Hitler (1st October, 1938)
My dear Fuhrer everyone in England is profoundly moved by the bloodless solution to the Czechoslovakian problem. People not so much concerned with territorial readjustment as with dread of another war with its accompanying bloodbath. Frederick the Great was a great popular figure. I salute your Excellency’s star, which rises higher and higher.
But the Mail and its owner were not only supporters of Hitler – in the 1930s the newspaper was also itself openly and rabidly anti-Jewish.
Here’s an article showing what the Mail thought about Jews just one year before Britain was at war with Germany:

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And of course, we all know the Daily Mail wrote a detailed article praising the UK’s version of Hitler’s Nazi Party – “Hurrah for the Blackshirts”.
But there’s more. The Daily Mail serialised the anti-Semitic hoax ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion‘ – a good ten years or so after it had been revealed to be a forgery.
Unfortunately though, this is not all in the newspaper’s past.
Just three years ago, Lord Rothermere’s newspaper supported another far-right European anti-semitic party – the Front National in the 2012 French elections.
And as recently as this month, the Mail wrote an article praising a rising far-right fascist group in Germany whose leader likes to dress up as Hitler.
Are we really to believe that the present Lord Rothermere – like his relatives – doesn’t realise how anti-semitic those parties are?
It’s high time – especially on Holocaust Memorial Day – that the Daily Mail apologised to the British people for its long-standing support of Hitler, Fascism and anti-Semitism.

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Post  BigAndy9 on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:52 pm

Was watching the Sky News special on these muslim enclaves last night.


It was so sad to hear the French Prime Minister admitting his own country had been taken over.


Sad, but good to hear honesty from a politician.


Counter-terrorism operations have been launched across France in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, with the Prime Minister declaring the country has collapsed into "apartheid".
A total of 64 suburbs in many major cities have been identified as ghettos and Manuel Valls' admission that geographic, social and ethnic apartheid exists in France signals a seismic change in the country's approach to immigration
It also highlights the scale of the problem.
France has not been able to concede that significant proportions of its population were being left behind economically, marginalised into ethnic enclaves, leaderless and vulnerable to Islamist radicalisation.
Because until now French political thought refused to recognise the notion of the nation having different communities within it.

http://news.sky.com/story/1420147/france-targets-ghettos-in-anti-terror-fight
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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:59 pm

@BigAndy9 wrote:Was watching the Sky News special on these muslim enclaves last night.


It was so sad to hear the French Prime Minister admitting his own country had been taken over.


Sad, but good to hear honesty from a politician.


Counter-terrorism operations have been launched across France in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, with the Prime Minister declaring the country has collapsed into "apartheid".
A total of 64 suburbs in many major cities have been identified as ghettos and Manuel Valls' admission that geographic, social and ethnic apartheid exists in France signals a seismic change in the country's approach to immigration
It also highlights the scale of the problem.
France has not been able to concede that significant proportions of its population were being left behind economically, marginalised into ethnic enclaves, leaderless and vulnerable to Islamist radicalisation.
Because until now French political thought refused to recognise the notion of the nation having different communities within it.

http://news.sky.com/story/1420147/france-targets-ghettos-in-anti-terror-fight



Interesting but no claim of no go areas, which the Mail had to clai of course

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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:09 pm

(Reuters) - Soul-searching in France in the weeks since Islamist gunmen killed 17 people has centred on battling radical Islam and reinforcing the country's secular tradition. In the "cités", housing estates like those in which the gunmen grew up, this seems to many like seeking a scapegoat for decades of neglect.

"We're not all drug dealers, bank robbers and even less so jihadis," said 28-year-old Yamine Ouassini, whose grandparents emigrated to France from North Africa.

A decade ago he joined riots in Aulnay-Sous-Bois, about 30 minutes' drive northeast of Paris, in protest at the hopelessness of life in France's poorest suburbs. Now a qualified technician, he is looking for work and says nothing has changed.
 

"The problem in France is not secularism or Islam, it's unemployment. That's the real subject and we shouldn't hide behind other issues."

Aulnay, which resembles other small towns ringing many French cities, saw some of the worst of the 2005 riots that aimed to send a wake-up-call. A cluster of rundown high-rise estates lies a few kilometres (miles) from the centre. A group of children are playing football instead of attending school.

The people here are primarily of North African and sub-Saharan African descent, grouped together over the years. Almost one in two families are single parent, with no father figure.

One in five are out of work, rising to more than one in three of 15-24 year-olds, double the national average.

Money has been spent over the years: some sprawling tower blocks have been knocked down and replaced with low-rise units. The state auditor said in 2012 that more than 42 billion euros had been spent on urban renovation nationwide.

France's public spending accounts for about 56 percent of national output, among the highest in the European Union. Yet in the cités the main accusation is that the state is absent.

The education system is deemed out of touch, directing teenagers towards manual jobs rather than professions.

Some areas have too few teachers and local government is overwhelmed, leaving social housing to fall into disrepair. Officials on the ground say Paris ignores their concerns.

"We are instructed to explain to students France's values and that every citizen is equal, but they see it's not their daily reality. They see a big brother who has no work, or parents who struggle to make ends meet," said Lahoucine Belkaid, who teaches history and geography in Aulnay.

"I grew up here, but I have the impression that students are now immune from what we teachers tell them. For them, we live in two different worlds."

Efforts by President Francois Hollande's Socialist government to rein in its public borrowing have had a knock-on effect on local grants. Community associations have closed or had funding cut, meaning there is little official support, guidance or advice for children, teenagers or young adults.

LOST HOPE

Left to pick up the pieces, some youngsters try to and create a structure to prevent others falling into delinquency. Mohammed Hammou organises outings from the Mille-Mille housing estate in Aulnay, where a sports club closed three months ago.

"It's very hard because we know many lack the motivation and have lost hope. We are doing this on a small scale, but it needs to be done on a much larger one. They need to be supported."

Samia Ghali, a Socialist Senator of Algerian origin who grew up in one of Marseille's most troubled suburbs, has called for the army to clean up some estates in France's second city.

She says such areas have become no go zones for police after dark. Drugs and arms trafficking as well as prostitution blight many estates, where a culture of survival of the fittest prevails and some kids have lost "all notion of good or bad."

"You have families that are suffering and living in misery and you're asking them to be French?" she told Reuters to help explain why hundreds of teenagers refused to join a nationwide minute of silence for the victims of the attacks.

"Many have never even left their estate. France is their estate. The more you're in misery the more you search for something to make you feel better. For some its drugs, others religion."

In 30 years, governments of both left and right have produced dozens of plans to revive neglected areas; most fell by the wayside due to lack of funds or loss of interest once elections passed.

Hollande's government is no different. Campaign commitments made in 2012 such as protecting public services from cuts and increasing aid for schools in difficult areas have not been kept.

ETHNIC, SOCIAL APARTHEID

But January's attacks jolted the political establishment and there is some recognition of the social circumstances behind the three gunmen's move from playing sports to waging jihad.

In one of the starkest indictments of French society by a government figure, Prime Minister Manuel Valls said it was time to end the suburbs' "geographical, social and ethnic apartheid".

In response, a government committee will fight ghettoisation and segregation and schools are to have more civic and ethics education in the country's secular curriculum.

French symbols such as the tricolour flag and national anthem will be promoted. Poor pupils will receive more grants and schools will be given financial incentives to be more socially diverse.

"In the past, there have been a lot of signs of affection, but not enough acts of love," said Mehdi Bigaderne, 32, deputy mayor in Clichy-Sous-Bois, where the 2005 riots erupted.

"They need to work with those on the ground to resolve the deep-rooted problems. It's not enough to just do a bit of dusting now to relieve one's conscience."

Back in 2004, the then-conservative government-backed "Obin" report said officials in some areas tended to group struggling people together, enabling politically-motivated religious groups, especially within the five-million-strong Muslim community, to tap into local discontent. It was abandoned, however, because it was considered Islamophobic.

Malik Boutih, a long-time Socialist ally of Hollande and former president of the SOS Racism campaign group, says the government should appoint 50 local commissioners to take control and coordinate services like education, health and security in troubled areas until people felt more assimiliated.

"The risk is that if we don't take strong action then the situation will get worse," he said, referring to the emergence of a more radical Islam in these areas.

"Islamo-Nazis recruit in two waves, first to scare those around them and then push them from fear into supporting their ideas. That's why we have to offer more to those who support our democratic values than those who reject those ideas can offer."

Back in Aulnay, most say the problem is deeper - a chronic sense of alienation between ordinary people and the elite.

Robert Ebode, a 27-year old banker of African origin who grew up in a local estate, said France needed to stop typecasting people descended from immigrants as either potential labourers or troublemakers.

"There is a real ignorance, a lot of clichés," he said. "In the upper echelons they are in another dimension. They've been to the best schools and don't feel the need to listen."

(Additional reporting by Emmanuel Jarry; Editing by Mark John and Philippa Fletcher)





http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/29/uk-france-shooting-suburbs-idUKKBN0L20E520150129

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Post  BigAndy9 on Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:18 pm

And BigAndy9 has been warning of the muslim strongholds in England - we must retake them soon before they spread to the countryside!
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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:20 pm

@BigAndy9 wrote:And BigAndy9 has been warning of the muslim strongholds in England - we must retake them soon before they spread to the countryside!




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Post  Smelly_bandit on Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:59 pm

British Muslims 

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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:00 pm

@Smelly_bandit wrote:British Muslims 




British Muslims:



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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:13 pm

British Muslims









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Post  Smelly_bandit on Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:29 pm

Only a few though
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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:33 pm

@Smelly_bandit wrote:Only a few though





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Post  Smelly_bandit on Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:50 pm

It would seem Western judeo Christian values are having a small impact, but of course they are only young, plenty of time yet for them to embrace Islam more fully and turn to ISIS
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Post  Guest on Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:53 pm

@Smelly_bandit wrote:It would seem Western judeo Christian values are having a small impact, but of course they are only young, plenty of time yet for them to embrace Islam more fully and turn to ISIS



You mean embracing secularism, as embracing any religious values is a no brainier.
This is what you fear, you will have nothing to hate, because people will follow secular views.
Who will you start on then, the Jedi's?



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Post  Smelly_bandit on Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:11 am

I think these no go zones need to be purged by military force and then placed under martial law  until the surviving Muslims can be rounded up, documented and issued with identity cards and tagged with rfid chips 

If the West does not crush these Muslim militants enclaves and strongholds we will soon see them used as bases to launch more ground attacks against us 

These occupied territories are the front line in the coming conflict
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Post  Guest on Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:19 am

@Smelly_bandit wrote:I think these no go zones need to be purged by military force and then placed under martial law  until the surviving Muslims can be rounded up, documented and issued with identity cards and tagged with rfid chips 

If the West does not crush these Muslim militants enclaves and strongholds we will soon see them used as bases to launch more ground attacks against us 

These occupied territories are the front line in the coming conflict



Sounds just like what the Nazi's did to the to the Jews.
Odd that

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Post  Smelly_bandit on Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:48 am

Yeah and as I recall it worked pretty well for them, no reason it won't work just as well on a different audience
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Post  Guest on Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:54 am

@Smelly_bandit wrote:Yeah and as I recall it worked pretty well for them, no reason it won't work just as well on a different audience


Worked well for the nazi's.
Not so for the left, homosexuals, disabled, Jews etc.

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Post  gelico on Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:27 am

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Worked well for the nazi's.
Not so for the left, homosexuals, disabled, Jews etc.


and how do you think they will fare under the rule of ISIS?

the disabled might be in with a fair chance but not the others
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Post  ALLAKAKA on Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:39 am

@gelico wrote:


and how do you think they will fare under the rule of ISIS?

the disabled might be in with a fair chance but not the others



 Those with disabilities derived from INBREEDING. Praise be to Allah.
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Post  Guest on Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:07 am

@gelico wrote:


and how do you think they will fare under the rule of ISIS?

the disabled might be in with a fair chance but not the others


You hold ISIS:s chances in high regard of taking over France.
I certainly do not, not in a million years.
The tide is turning against them in Syria and Iraq.

So lets take this paranoid view to the extreme shall we Gelico, for arguments sake, say there is 5%, which is being very generous, hold views with ISIS in France, are you suggesting this is a reason to round up all the Muslims in France including the 95% of Muslims who are not?

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Post  mattiducatti on Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:26 am

@Smelly_bandit wrote:[size=53]French counter-terrorism experts have identified 64 suburbs in dozens of cities that act as breeding grounds for Islamic extremism.[/size]


[size=53]So-called 'ghettos' with high rates of youth unemployment, immigration and single-parent families, such as L'Ariane near Nice, have been linked to the radicalisation of young and vulnerable people.[/size]


[size=53]French Prime Minister Manuel Valls last month admitted that the country had collapsed into social and ethnic 'apartheid' - the first time a senior politician has conceded that economic marginalisation and religious tensions have led to serious divides.[/size]


[size=53]Until 17 people were killed in January's shocking Charlie Hebdo terror attacks, the French government remained largely consistent in its claim that overriding 'Frenchness' was a unifying factor more powerful than loyalties to local communities or religious belief.[/size]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937879/France-identifies-terrorism-breeding-grounds-Ghettos-high-unemployment-large-numbers-single-parent-families-mainly-immigrants.html


French counter-terrorism experts have identified 64 suburbs in dozens of cities that act as breeding grounds for Islamic extremism
















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Post  gelico on Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:15 am

Phil Didge wrote:


You hold ISIS:s chances in high regard of taking over France.
I certainly do not, not in a million years.
The tide is turning against them in Syria and Iraq.

So lets take this paranoid view to the extreme shall we Gelico, for arguments sake, say there is 5%, which is being very generous, hold views with ISIS in France, are you suggesting this is a reason to round up all the Muslims in France including the 95% of Muslims who are not?


if that's what needs to be done then that's what must be done

ISIS al-quaeda boko harem - whatever they want to call themselves

the must be rooted out

if i were a comitted christian and vile groups like this were wanting global domination and were going around comitting all sorts of atrocities to get that then as a christian i would damn well want them to be caught and dealt with. these people bring the utmost shame to ordinary muslims so surely ordinary muslims would be willing to go through the inconvenience of being questioned in order to get to the villains,,,(what exactly do you mean by 'rounded up')?

dont you think they would be happy to co-operate with what seems like harsh measures,,,,for the greater good of getting rid of the extremists in their midst?
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Post  Guest on Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:45 am

@gelico wrote:


if that's what needs to be done then that's what must be done

ISIS al-quaeda boko harem - whatever they want to call themselves

the must be rooted out

if i were a comitted christian and vile groups like this were wanting global domination and were going around comitting all sorts of atrocities to get that then as a christian i would damn well want them to be caught and dealt with.  these people bring the utmost shame to ordinary muslims so surely ordinary muslims would be willing to go through the inconvenience of being questioned  in order to get to the villains,,,(what exactly do you mean by 'rounded up')?

dont you think they would be happy to co-operate with what seems like harsh measures,,,,for the greater good of getting rid of the extremists in their midst?

Jesus wept, are you having a bubble bath?
There are many Muslims that want them caught also, it is not all as easy as you make out in the ideal world of gelico.
So you are saying that France needs to round up 5 million Muslims and place them in interment camps based on a fear of some of them. That is absurd and plays on fear and in fact is then ensuring you make far many more likely to be drawn tot he extremists. So no I do not want to go down the route that denies freedom of expression and speech as that is basically what you are calling on. Even if some agree with IS it does not even mean they would act on this. To me you offer them the first plane out of the nation and make a law which would enable you to do this, if someone is not willing to abide by the law of the land.

What you are saying is there has to be levels on freedom of expression and speech Gelico. I do not believe in harsh measure that target many innocents and all so you feel more comfortable about yourself. All you do is ensure the problem becomes far worse and spreads to other countries. What you should be doing is getting on board the many Muslims to help oust those who are extreme, which is not going to happen if you ostracize them all.

If your view is to root out what we do not find acceptable within a society, what next? Racists, homophobes? You see when you start down the road fo declaring people undesireable, then you open up a big can of worms. take one good luck at WW2 and see where people were interned ion war camps and who eneded up being one of the most decorated American units?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

I am not denying there is a problem, but your solution is extreme beyond beleif and born out of fear, which is going to make the problem ten timee worse. How do you think Muslim countries would react to such a stance? I am all for taking the battle to the nations which are the cause like Qatar and Saudi, who are behind the spread of Wahhabism, but to make basically an enemy of all Muslims, which you would be doing could create mass bloodshed over night. There would be far reaching consequences to such an act all around the world, showing your view has many flaws and would create far more problems than it would resolve.

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Post  Smelly_bandit on Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:53 am

@gelico wrote:


and how do you think they will fare under the rule of ISIS?

the disabled might be in with a fair chance but not the others

Homosexuals are already being brutally murdered by Muslims 

Same for the Jews 

And same for pretty much anyone who doesn't believe as the Muslims do 

So I think it's pretty obvious who is the closer to the nazis here
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