Can nurses leave the NHS straight after passing their exams?

just wondered, it must cost a lot to train a nurse or paramadic, can they immediately leave the NHS for more money with a private health group.

heartsandminds wrote:just wondered, it must cost a lot to train a nurse or paramadic, can they immediately leave the NHS for more money with a private health group.

I thought someone would know.

heartsandminds wrote:just wondered, it must cost a lot to train a nurse or paramadic, can they immediately leave the NHS for more money with a private health group.

you would think that they should be required to do a certain amount of time in the NHS before they move on to better pay and conditions.

Flap Meister wrote:you would think that they should be required to do a certain amount of time in the NHS before they move on to better pay and conditions.

Precisely my point, they should at least have to work enough hours to repay their training, it would be a way of keeping hold of most of our trainees.

No they don't there is no minimum length of time they must work. I agree that the should, but the defence is that they all other graduates do not have to work a minimum at any state led agency, and the funding for docs/nurses comes from Universities (And university hospitals) not from the NHS budget.

I'm the king wrote:No they don't there is no minimum length of time they must work. I agree that the should, but the defence is that they all other graduates do not have to work a minimum at any state led agency, and the funding for docs/nurses comes from Universities (And university hospitals) not from the NHS budget.

It really does make sense to tie them in to working the NHS for so long but i guess if it's not fair by everyone's standards it cannot be enforced.

heartsandminds wrote:

It really does make sense to tie them in to working the NHS for so long but i guess if it's not fair by everyone's standards it cannot be enforced.

there was an idea put forward a few years back to fund those that then had to stay in the NHS for a certain time and make those that didn't want to pay for the entire of there training.

It was declined for a number of reasons:
1) it could create a 2 tier training system and healthcare (though I'm not convicnced)
2) it could lead to people trying to get sacked to get out of the NHS min terms.
3) the NHS may be tied into employing people it didn't need.

Being honest though your question is a bit wrong as the people don't leave the NHS, there were never employed by them, they just don't apply to join them.

The NHS does get quite a bit from the trainees though in doing the dirty jobs a lot while they are training.

I think nurses aren't the main issue here though, Doctors are

I'm the king wrote:

there was an idea put forward a few years back to fund those that then had to stay in the NHS for a certain time and make those that didn't want to pay for the entire of there training.

It was declined for a number of reasons:
1) it could create a 2 tier training system and healthcare (though I'm not convicnced)
2) it could lead to people trying to get sacked to get out of the NHS min terms.
3) the NHS may be tied into employing people it didn't need.

Being honest though your question is a bit wrong as the people don't leave the NHS, there were never employed by them, they just don't apply to join them.

The NHS does get quite a bit from the trainees though in doing the dirty jobs a lot while they are training.

I think nurses aren't the main issue here though, Doctors are

yes you have a few good points there actually..

yes if doctors training could work through the NHS and be bound to it that would help.

would nurses really risk getting a black mark so to speak to get out of NHS duties, not sure that would look good on their resume.

heartsandminds wrote:

yes you have a few good points there actually..

yes if doctors training could work through the NHS and be bound to it that would help.

would nurses really risk getting a black mark so to speak to get out of NHS duties, not sure that would look good on their resume.

It happens in other industries, you're head hunted and get offered another job, you then work on ways to get out, small things that can be overcome, show your unhappy etc etc.

There is also the issue that any changes in terms would then lead to the contract being unenforceable.

Also it would lead to people going abroad to work if they wanted to leave the NHS. then it's lose/lose

Finally, there is no way to enforce someone to work for a specific company, you could leave training and not do the job, work in something else for a short time then apply elsewhere.

It is a good idea but it is very hard to enforce.

I'm the king wrote:

It happens in other industries, you're head hunted and get offered another job, you then work on ways to get out, small things that can be overcome, show your unhappy etc etc.

There is also the issue that any changes in terms would then lead to the contract being unenforceable.

Also it would lead to people going abroad to work if they wanted to leave the NHS. then it's lose/lose

Finally, there is no way to enforce someone to work for a specific company, you could leave training and not do the job, work in something else for a short time then apply elsewhere.

It is a good idea but it is very hard to enforce.

I suppose if you held a financial retainer over them, if they left or their work became unsatisfactory they would lose a reasonable amount of money, often affecting someone's pocket hurts the most.

heartsandminds wrote:

I suppose if you held a financial retainer over them, if they left or their work became unsatisfactory they would lose a reasonable amount of money, often affecting someone's pocket hurts the most.

You could, but I think you would get less people training then, which may become an issue

I'm the king wrote:

You could, but I think you would get less people training then, which may become an issue

if the training could be tied in to the NHS more I suppose it could be controlled that way but they would have to train rather than just give them the rubbish jobs and I suppose that would incur costs of it's own.

heartsandminds wrote:

if the training could be tied in to the NHS more I suppose it could be controlled that way but they would have to train rather than just give them the rubbish jobs and I suppose that would incur costs of it's own.

Exactly, there are issues what every they do, maybe a kind of student loan is given to cover the training that needs to be repaid, (on top of the uni fees) this would be repaid by the NHS if you work for them or by yourself or employer if you don't but again it might lead to fewer application or increased emigration to other countries

I'm the king wrote:

Exactly, there are issues what every they do, maybe a kind of student loan is given to cover the training that needs to be repaid, (on top of the uni fees) this would be repaid by the NHS if you work for them or by yourself or employer if you don't but again it might lead to fewer application or increased emigration to other countries

Now that sounds like a very good idea all around.. like that.