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Post  Tess on Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:57 pm

I've been looking at articles to do with the French shootings, and looking on other forums at comments and theories. On one site David from here says there was a witness who saw "a white man with tattoos". Now I've looked everywhere and there is no reference anywhere to the shooter being white - nowhere. You could almost feel the gloating in the post, as if to say "It's a white man, isn't that great?"

They're such hypocrits. They accuse RWs of generalising all muslims and calling us racists, yet they can demonize white people at every opportunity and pat themselves on the back about it. We all know Fatbob's posts, they're just blatant racism, putting the word White in large capitals for every little offence he can find. Just what do they get out of it?
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Post  Hugh Jardon on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:02 pm

@Tess wrote:I've been looking at articles to do with the French shootings, and looking on other forums at comments and theories. On one site David from here says there was a witness who saw "a white man with tattoos". Now I've looked everywhere and there is no reference anywhere to the shooter being white - nowhere. You could almost feel the gloating in the post, as if to say "It's a white man, isn't that great?"

They're such hypocrits. They accuse RWs of generalising all muslims and calling us racists, yet they can demonize white people at every opportunity and pat themselves on the back about it. We all know Fatbob's posts, they're just blatant racism, putting the word White in large capitals for every little offence he can find. Just what do they get out of it?


Tess..it's a strange one.
BOobby... that is.

it could well be that this nutter is not white, or yellow..or sky bluie pink with yellow dots on.
his colour and creed is irrelevant....he needs to be caught- tried- and executed in the bastille!

The left have always tried to divide and rule.... it's what they do.
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Post  Guest on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:07 pm

@Tess wrote:I've been looking at articles to do with the French shootings, and looking on other forums at comments and theories. On one site David from here says there was a witness who saw "a white man with tattoos". Now I've looked everywhere and there is no reference anywhere to the shooter being white - nowhere. You could almost feel the gloating in the post, as if to say "It's a white man, isn't that great?"

They're such hypocrits. They accuse RWs of generalising all muslims and calling us racists, yet they can demonize white people at every opportunity and pat themselves on the back about it. We all know Fatbob's posts, they're just blatant racism, putting the word White in large capitals for every little offence he can find. Just what do they get out of it?



Well, this says about a tattoo duck and the colour of his eyes?



20 March 2012 Last updated at 10:04


Shootings in Toulouse and Montauban: What we know


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Three gun attacks which left seven people dead and two wounded have sparked a security alert in south-western France, with fears that the same killer could be at work.

In each case the attacker is said to have been a gunman on a scooter, using the same gun, striking in broad daylight.

The attacks took place in Toulouse and the town of Montauban, 46km (29m) away.

The first two shootings saw soldiers targeted but the third took place at a school, where small children were shot.

What the victims have in common is that they belong to, or are associated with, ethnic or religious minorities - North African, Caribbean and Jewish.

That they were singled out is suggested by reports that, in at least one attack, the killer pushed aside a bystander to get to his victims.

A manhunt is under way and France has placed its national judicial police in charge of the investigation, with anti-terrorist investigators and specialists in serial crimes at its disposal.

While little has been reported about the identity or motivation of, in the words of Le Figaro newspaper, the "most wanted man in France", some of the strongest clues may have been left by the first attack.

Cyber trail

The same .45 calibre pistol was used in all three shootings, police sources told reporters.

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Timeline of attacks



  • Late February: First victim, Imad Ibn-Ziaten, posts small ad online hoping to sell a motorbike
  • 6 March: Scooter stolen in the Toulouse area, to be used by gunman
  • 11 March: Imad Ibn-Ziaten shot dead in Toulouse while waiting to see man about selling his motorbike
  • 15 March: Two paratroopers shot dead and a third seriously injured while waiting at a cash machine in Montauban
  • 19 March: Three children and a teacher shot dead, and a youth injured, at a Jewish school in Toulouse

While police have not been specific about the model, the most famous such gun is the US-made Colt .45, said by France's Le Point magazine to be the handgun of choice of French gangsters because of its powerful impact.

The same scooter, a Yamaha T-MAX 500 cm3 stolen in the Toulouse area on 6 March, was used in all three attacks, a police source told France's AFP news agency.

The first came at around 16:00 (15:00 GMT) on Sunday 11 March.

Imad Ibn-Ziaten, a 30-year-old staff sergeant in the 1st Airborne Transportation Regiment, was shot dead behind the Chateau de l'Hers school in a quiet district of Toulouse.

According to Le Figaro, Sgt Ibn-Ziaten, who was not in uniform, was unwittingly waiting for his own killer.

He had posted a small ad on a website to sell a Suzuki Bandit motorcycle, and the suspected gunman had arranged a meeting with him to see it.

Sgt Ibn-Ziaten had identified himself as a soldier in the ad, which was posted online at the end of February according to La Depeche newspaper, but he did not give his name.

The victim apparently received a phone call about the motorcycle just minutes before the attack, the paper says.

Sgt Ibn-Ziaten was found shot in the head, his motorcycle beside him.

French cyber police are working to extract clues from the two men's internet exchanges, Le Figaro says.

Sgt Ibn-Ziaten had a clean service record, prosecutors stressed, rejecting suggestions that there could have been a gangland element to his murder.

'Tattoo'

In the second attack, in Montauban on Thursday 15 March, 46 surveillance cameras picked up the gunman on his scooter, according to Le Figaro.

They showed "a man in dark clothing wearing a black helmet and riding a powerful scooter". They also showed him using little-frequented side-streets, suggesting he knew the town well.

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  • Said variously to be a small or average-height man, and "quite fat", or "athletic and well-toned"
  • Said by one witness to have green eyes
  • Has a tattoo or scar under one eye
  • Uses a Yamaha T-MAX 500 cm3 scooter and wears a black helmet
  • Possesses at least two guns, a .45 and a 9mm, and is at home with using fire-arms
  • Said to have behaved calmly when shooting the soldiers at the cash machine
  • Seems to be familiar with the the internet
  • Said to have worn a camera around his neck when attacking the school
  • CCTV footage suggests he knows his way about the town of Montauban

The CCTV footage available to investigators is said to include footage of the actual shooting, taken by the camera in the cash machine being used by the three soldiers the gunman attacked.

Two members of the 17th Airborne Combat Engineering Regiment, Corporal Abel Chennouf, 24, and Private Mohamed Legouad, 26, were killed. Both, like Sgt Ibn-Ziaten, were of North African origin.

A third paratrooper, 28-year-old Corporal Loic Liber from the French overseas region of Guadeloupe, was left in a coma.

There were numerous witnesses to the attack in Montauban, which occurred at around 14:00 outside a small shopping centre.

Before opening fire on the three unarmed, uniformed servicemen, the gunman reportedly moved aside an elderly woman, who was apparently also standing in line at the cash machine.

The killer was described as a small man who acted calmly, stopping to change the magazine of his pistol.

Witnesses described how he had turned over one of the wounded men who was trying to crawl away, and fired three more shots into him.

He was someone obviously used to handling a gun, a judicial source told AFP.

One witness, who described the killer as "of average height and quite fat", told French broadcaster RTL his helmet visor had been raised and she had seen his eyes and a tattoo or scar on his face.

In the same account, there was no indication of the killer's race.

'Everything he could see'

On Monday 19 March, a gunman on a moped attacked the Ozar Hatorah Jewish school in Toulouse.

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He killed Jonathan Sandler, a 30-year-old rabbi and teacher of religion originally from Jerusalem, and his two sons Gabriel and Arieh, aged four and five.

The fourth victim was Myriam Monsonego, seven, daughter of the head teacher, who was reportedly grabbed by the hair and shot in the head.

A boy of 17 was also injured.

After opening fire with a 9mm weapon, the gunman switched to his .45.

In one respect, the third attack appears different from the others: the gunman reportedly fired indiscriminatingly inside the school grounds.

"He shot at everything he could see, children and adults, and some children were chased into the school," prosecutor Michel Valet told reporters.

Nicole Yardeni, a local Jewish official who saw security video of the attack, described the gunman as "determined, athletic and well-toned". She said he had worn a helmet with the visor down.

A mother whose son witnessed the attack said he had stared directly at children with "clear, green eyes", according to the Guardian newspaper.

Another detail that has emerged is that the killer appeared to be wearing a small camera around his neck.

As a result of the attack, Prime Minister Francois Fillon ordered security to be tightened at all schools and religious buildings in France.

Earlier, security was tightened at military bases in the south-west.

Nazi scandal

French media have speculated whether the attacks could be terror-related - an Islamist act of revenge against French forces deployed in Afghanistan, for example.

However, just one of the soldiers had served in Afghanistan, and the targeting of a Jewish school suggests a broader motive.

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The fact that none of the soldier victims had a criminal record, other than a speeding offence in one case, seems to undermine the theory of a gangland motive. Furthermore, the soldiers in Montauban did not know the sergeant killed in Toulouse, according to France TV Info.

Robbery is another theory which does not seem to hold water: neither the motorbike in the first shooting nor money in the second were taken, police sources said.

Another suggestion is that these are race hate attacks. Toulouse is home to large communities of both Jews and North African Muslims.

Some commentators have voiced fears that French society is being targeted by a lone extremist like Anders Behring Breivik, who carried out attacks in Norway last summer.

"This event made me think immediately about the Oslo massacre last summer, the act of revenge on society of one isolated extremist," wrote Pierre Haski on the Rue89 news website.

In 2008, a scandal erupted over the 17th Airborne Combat Engineering Regiment when photos appeared of three paratroopers making Hitler salutes and posing with a Nazi flag.

Two soldiers were dishonourably discharged as a result while the third had already resigned, La Depeche reports.

According to the newspaper, one of the men has since re-joined the army and is now serving in the Chasseurs Alpins regiment, based in south-eastern France, while another is working in a restaurant in Montauban.

The third man, La Depeche says, has disappeared.

All of the theories remain speculation for now.

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Post  56kevins on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:08 pm

@Tess wrote:I've been looking at articles to do with the French shootings, and looking on other forums at comments and theories. On one site David from here says there was a witness who saw "a white man with tattoos". Now I've looked everywhere and there is no reference anywhere to the shooter being white - nowhere. You could almost feel the gloating in the post, as if to say "It's a white man, isn't that great?"

They're such hypocrits. They accuse RWs of generalising all muslims and calling us racists, yet they can demonize white people at every opportunity and pat themselves on the back about it. We all know Fatbob's posts, they're just blatant racism, putting the word White in large capitals for every little offence he can find. Just what do they get out of it?

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Post  I'm the king on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:09 pm

I haven't seen the comments regarding the shooter in Toulouse, but I have to defend Bob a little, he is just trying to show some of the right wingers on here how stupid it is to emphasise the colour/race of a criminal.

As to lefties hating white people, I don't think they do, though I do think they overly try to side with 'the underdog'.

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Post  guest... on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:18 pm

@Tess wrote:I've been looking at articles to do with the French shootings, and looking on other forums at comments and theories. On one site David from here says there was a witness who saw "a white man with tattoos". Now I've looked everywhere and there is no reference anywhere to the shooter being white - nowhere. You could almost feel the gloating in the post, as if to say "It's a white man, isn't that great?"

They're such hypocrits. They accuse RWs of generalising all muslims and calling us racists, yet they can demonize white people at every opportunity and pat themselves on the back about it. We all know Fatbob's posts, they're just blatant racism, putting the word White in large capitals for every little offence he can find. Just what do they get out of it?

I think Fatbob does it as a wind up to counter all the other posts that bash ethnics, which are constantly posted daily Tess, though he is way over the top of which i admit. Why are you so upset or angry about this? To me like with posts on any killers, I don't care what race they are at what religion they have, only that they are caught and taken off the streets. The fact is daily people use the race and religion of a killer to make an argument, maybe you should say the same to those on the far right who do this also. Killers come in all races there is crime all over the world and it is wrong to try and promte one is worse than the other, which we see on here daily.iF you find this wrong from some left wing posters of which i agree it is wrong to bash white people over this then you should do the same to those who bash other races on crime, is that not fair?

I tell you one thing though if this does turn out to be a far right loon, i bet there will be a big backlash on websites that promote bigotry and racism. I have a feeling this is some nutter just pissed with society and is killing anyone, he could even be a Basque extremist for all we know


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Post  56kevins on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:21 pm

It does seem a bit strange him lifting his visor to show his face off with the distinctive scars/tattoos. I'm not into conspiracy theories but it all seems a bit too pat. It's like in the old films/comics where the robber went out in the middle of the night with a bag with swag written on it.
Unless of course he wants to eventually get caught, like Anders Breivik, so as to have his day in court.


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Post  Hugh Jardon on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:28 pm

@56kevins wrote:It does seem a bit strange him lifting his visor to show his face off with the distinctive scars/tattoos. I'm not into conspiracy theories but it all seems a bit too pat. It's like in the old films/comics where the robber went out in the middle of the night with a bag with swag written on it.
Unless of course he wants to eventually get caught, like Anders Brevick, so as to have his day in court.


the bloke's a nutter so it's hard to tell just what the hell is going on inside his 'mind'.....could be tranfers for all we know.
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Post  56kevins on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:30 pm

@Hugh Jardon wrote:


the bloke's a nutter so it's hard to tell just what the hell is going on inside his 'mind'.....could be tranfers for all we know.

I'd say it was transfers just an unsubtle way of laying a false track....but who knows

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Post  Hugh Jardon on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:36 pm

@56kevins wrote:

I'd say it was transfers just an unsubtle way of laying a false track....but who knows


makes a change from a string of onions, a striped shirt and a beret though...
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Post  Tess on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:36 pm

@56kevins wrote:

I'd say it was transfers just an unsubtle way of laying a false track....but who knows

Well he took part in more than one shooting. How come he didn't lift his visor at the school? Why would he go to all the trouble of covering himself up and then lift the visor? Doesn't add up. Anyway, that's another thread. I'm trying to find out on this one why LWs seem to gloat so much when they discover a culprit's white? and try to cover up for the culprit when he's not white? ADO's shut so I can't call up any posts, but I did look briefly on ES, and got this one from Sassy:

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/t294-shocking-anjem-choudary-video-where-terrified-white-boy-made-to-declare-he-is-a-muslim?highlight=white

and on the Anders Breivik threads they were orgasmic, linking him with the EDL. They loved it that he was white. If it'd turned out to be a muslim killer you wouldn't have heard a peep out of them. Why?
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Post  56kevins on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:50 pm

Who knows...it could be that their heads have been filled at school with how evil we were for having an empire and exploiting ethnic people (no mention of course for the advancments we brought them) so they've got a guilt complex.
Or the most likely explanation is that they're just morons giving the country away.

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Post  I'm the king on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:56 pm

@Tess wrote:

Well he took part in more than one shooting. How come he didn't lift his visor at the school? Why would he go to all the trouble of covering himself up and then lift the visor? Doesn't add up. Anyway, that's another thread. I'm trying to find out on this one why LWs seem to gloat so much when they discover a culprit's white? and try to cover up for the culprit when he's not white? ADO's shut so I can't call up any posts, but I did look briefly on ES, and got this one from Sassy:

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/t294-shocking-anjem-choudary-video-where-terrified-white-boy-made-to-declare-he-is-a-muslim?highlight=white

and on the Anders Breivik threads they were orgasmic, linking him with the EDL. They loved it that he was white. If it'd turned out to be a muslim killer you wouldn't have heard a peep out of them. Why?


Maybe his visor got steamed up and he had to lift it to be able to see?

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Post  56kevins on Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:31 pm

@I'm the king wrote:


Maybe his visor got steamed up and he had to lift it to be able to see?

Hey that's far too sensible for us lol!

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Post  I'm the king on Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:00 pm

It turns out a white man in his 20's is being questioned by the police now.

Though it must be added that he handed himself into police, to exclude himself from the inquiry, after being one of three former soldiers the police want to speak to

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Post  Guest on Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:32 pm

@Tess wrote:

Well he took part in more than one shooting. How come he didn't lift his visor at the school? Why would he go to all the trouble of covering himself up and then lift the visor? Doesn't add up. Anyway, that's another thread. I'm trying to find out on this one why LWs seem to gloat so much when they discover a culprit's white? and try to cover up for the culprit when he's not white? ADO's shut so I can't call up any posts, but I did look briefly on ES, and got this one from Sassy:

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/t294-shocking-anjem-choudary-video-where-terrified-white-boy-made-to-declare-he-is-a-muslim?highlight=white

and on the Anders Breivik threads they were orgasmic, linking him with the EDL. They loved it that he was white. If it'd turned out to be a muslim killer you wouldn't have heard a peep out of them. Why?



You are very wrong in your assumption there Tess my dear.

In regards to Sassy she has condemned Muslim terrorists and so have I yet all i hear is im a terrorist lover by Rws why is that eh? I have to always keep justifying myself over and over!



Yet NOT ONCE NOT BLOODY ONCE have i ever justified a suicide killer EVER

How many justified Andres?????

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Post  Tess on Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:49 pm

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You are very wrong in your assumption there Tess my dear.

In regards to Sassy she has condemned Muslim terrorists and so have I yet all i hear is im a terrorist lover by Rws why is that eh? I have to always keep justifying myself over and over!



Yet NOT ONCE NOT BLOODY ONCE have i ever justified a suicide killer EVER

How many justified Andres?????

I wasn't implying you justified suicide killers SM. It just gets me mad when I see posts that seem to cheer when a killer or madman is white. Its like a witch-hunt. Serial killers are lunatics whatever their colour or creed, but I have to say that, from what I remember about the ADO threads, and certainly from the current one on LLA, it seems more important that the killer is white than the poor kids who got killed.
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Post  I'm the king on Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:50 pm

@56kevins wrote:

Hey that's far too sensible for us lol!

sensible answers are too boring aren't they?

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Post  Hugh Jardon on Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:17 pm

@Tess wrote:I've been looking at articles to do with the French shootings, and looking on other forums at comments and theories. On one site David from here says there was a witness who saw "a white man with tattoos". Now I've looked everywhere and there is no reference anywhere to the shooter being white - nowhere. You could almost feel the gloating in the post, as if to say "It's a white man, isn't that great?"

They're such hypocrits. They accuse RWs of generalising all muslims and calling us racists, yet they can demonize white people at every opportunity and pat themselves on the back about it. We all know Fatbob's posts, they're just blatant racism, putting the word White in large capitals for every little offence he can find. Just what do they get out of it?

it gets worse

http://order-order.com/2012/03/20/cathy-ashton-compares-french-murders-to-gaza/

Ashton is in serious trouble!

I will put a copy of this in news...
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Post  fatbob5 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:50 pm

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I think Fatbob does it as a wind up to counter all the other posts that bash ethnics, which are constantly posted daily Tess, though he is way over the top of which i admit. .............

i dont come on this site to make friends
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Post  Hugh Jardon on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:54 pm

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i dont come on this site to make friends
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I love you BOobby

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Post  fatbob5 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:54 pm

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I wasn't implying you justified suicide killers SM. It just gets me mad when I see posts that seem to cheer when a killer or madman is white. Its like a witch-hunt. Serial killers are lunatics whatever their colour or creed, but I have to say that, from what I remember about the ADO threads, and certainly from the current one on LLA, it seems more important that the killer is white than the poor kids who got killed.

it could be argued that both LWers and RWers both use the misery of other people to make cheap political points on internet discussion boards, more so RWers in my opinion,
ps im not a stereotypical leftie, while i object to Capital Punishment, my opposition to it is not strong, its not a deep seated philosophical objection
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Post  fatbob5 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:56 pm

@Tess wrote:I've been looking at articles to do with the French shootings, and looking on other forums at comments and theories. On one site David from here says there was a witness who saw "a white man with tattoos". Now I've looked everywhere and there is no reference anywhere to the shooter being white - nowhere. You could almost feel the gloating in the post, as if to say "It's a white man, isn't that great?"

They're such hypocrits. They accuse RWs of generalising all muslims and calling us racists, yet they can demonize white people at every opportunity and pat themselves on the back about it. We all know Fatbob's posts, they're just blatant racism, putting the word White in large capitals .............

ive only done that once recently, i use to do it a lot more when Mentor was active in the past, it seemed that he sent a large chunk of his day searching the internet for stories about dark skinned criminals
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Post  I'm the king on Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:28 pm

@fatbob5 wrote:

it could be argued that both LWers and RWers both use the misery of other people to make cheap political points on internet discussion boards, more so RWers in my opinion,
ps im not a stereotypical leftie, while i object to Capital Punishment, my opposition to it is not strong, its not a deep seated philosophical objection

Bob, I think both sides are just as bad to be honest, though it is generally from the more extreme of both sides.

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Post  Mystic Moon on Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:28 pm

@Tess wrote:I've been looking at articles to do with the French shootings, and looking on other forums at comments and theories. On one site David from here says there was a witness who saw "a white man with tattoos". Now I've looked everywhere and there is no reference anywhere to the shooter being white - nowhere. You could almost feel the gloating in the post, as if to say "It's a white man, isn't that great?"

They're such hypocrits. They accuse RWs of generalising all muslims and calling us racists, yet they can demonize white people at every opportunity and pat themselves on the back about it. We all know Fatbob's posts, they're just blatant racism, putting the word White in large capitals for every little offence he can find. Just what do they get out of it?

In my opinion, Tess, leftwingers buy into the latest fads and the latest meme of the day which in this day and age means whites are evil and even worse if they happen to be white and Christian. It is now taught almost opening in schools over here that whites are responsible for all the evil which exists in the world today. I actually sat in a class one day and was told that the ancient Egyptians were black and that they built the pyramids and that white people refused to give them credit for their great accomplishments because whites are racist. This was a white professor and as angry as any person I have ever met.

There is a tremendous amount of self-loathing going on among white leftists and I have no idea why, but I think it must have something to do with wanting desperately to appear more open-minded and tolerant than the rest of us and this somehow makes them better people.

Just a thought: Maybe the left is just relieved that a shooter isn't a minority? :shock:
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