*** GREAT NEWS +++ Minimum Pricing for Alcohol to be Introduced in Scotland

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harvesmom wrote:Marvellous,  till distilleries and brewerys have to start closing down. 

People cant afford to smoke anymore, they wont be able to afford to drink. A night out in a pub nowadays requires a second mortgage to be taken out. Maybe we should all sit at home and take up knitting. Till the Government decides to tax the price of wool 

Flap Zappa wrote:
as usual it will suffer from the law of unintended consequences. The poor will become poorer as they spend more on booze. Those with a drink problem wont care if it costs more, it will just mean their kids will eat less.

But whatever stops the drunken Scotsman is surely a  good thing

Flix wrote:Quite right I'm unhappy, if it costs me more, many of us enjoy a glass of wine/whisky/brandy whatever on the weekend say, we don't smash things up, swear and shout, get into fights or pee on war memorials.
Stop supermarkets selling at ridiculous prices and three for one offers. Have special areas inside supermarkets, as there used to be, that are for want of a better word 'off licences' and have security if required. Crack down on places selling already boozed up people more booze. First smoking, then halal gets everywhere, guns removed from general population, free speech all but outlawed, next stop alcohol for removal.
Pubs are closing at an alarming rate now.

fatbob5 wrote:
People who like a good quality wine or whiskey, or a craft ale from a local microbrewery wont be affected by this proposal at all, its not a tax on ALL alcohol.
The only people affected will be those who drink cheap muck that only tastes slightly better than WD40

harvesmom wrote:
I don't agree with that Fatbob. I paid 14.50 for 2 glasses of wine in a bar this week. 7.25 a glass!!  And it was rubbish. Your cheap muck!  We had 2 drinks and left, that's the best part of 30 quid for 2 drinks each for me and a friend. 

I would rather go to Morrisons/Sainsburys and get a couple of bottles of decent stuff that's on offer and stay in!

fatbob5 wrote:
Firstly - are you in London ?
Secondly - I m assuming the bottle wasnt freshly opened ?
Thirdly - Morrisons / Sainsburys !!!!!!!!!!!! WTF
People of my social standing go to Waitrose

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Costa wrote:This was brought in to target those who buy cheap cider from supermarkets ... the very young, jakeys, alkies etc.  

It will not affect those going for a drink down their local pub or wine bar.



The effects of Minimum Unit Pricing


Minimum unit pricing will impact most on harmful drinkers - those who regularly drink more than the lower risk drinking guidelines. Those who drink within the lower risk guidelines will only be marginally affected simply because they only consume a small amount of alcohol and also because they do not tend to buy as much of the cheaper alcohol that would be most affected by a minimum unit price.

The small increase in the cost of alcohol to moderate drinkers has to be seen in the context of the total costs of alcohol misuse - estimates suggest around £900 per year for every adult in Scotland.

Almost all drinks bought in the pub are already sold well above any likely minimum price, so they wouldn't be affected. The minimum unit price of 50p per unit will mostly affect cheap white ciders and value spirits with high alcohol content which tend to be favoured by harmful drinkers.

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Flix wrote:Right, I hadn't heard that it was targetted like that. All the same people don't abuse alcohol because its cheap, so those that feel a real need for it will get it come what may, there's the border to drive across fill up a van and sell on the black market, worse there's the trade in bootleg alcohol, which has who knows what in it, which is already a fairly large business judging from the raids made on corner shops, some of whom don't know themselves that it isn't genuine. Will we be seeing more deaths and blindness from ethanol poisoning ? The UK as a whole is 15th on the list of countries consumption of alcohol. The real problem apart from the addicted is the shift in behaviour, its now accepted to pre load and go out drunk and then be served even more alcohol until you are hardly aware of your surroundings. It's not so long ago that young men especially went to the pub/club with their fathers/uncles/older brothers for their first drink and mainly, at least learnt how to drink and behave, there have always been a few that don't behave.  You would be arrested if found drunk on the streets.

Costa wrote:This was brought in to target those who buy cheap cider from supermarkets ... the very young, jakeys, alkies etc.  

It will not affect those going for a drink down their local pub or wine bar.



The effects of Minimum Unit Pricing


Minimum unit pricing will impact most on harmful drinkers - those who regularly drink more than the lower risk drinking guidelines. Those who drink within the lower risk guidelines will only be marginally affected simply because they only consume a small amount of alcohol and also because they do not tend to buy as much of the cheaper alcohol that would be most affected by a minimum unit price.

The small increase in the cost of alcohol to moderate drinkers has to be seen in the context of the total costs of alcohol misuse - estimates suggest around £900 per year for every adult in Scotland.

Almost all drinks bought in the pub are already sold well above any likely minimum price, so they wouldn't be affected. The minimum unit price of 50p per unit will mostly affect cheap white ciders and value spirits with high alcohol content which tend to be favoured by harmful drinkers.

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Flap Zappa wrote:
as usual it will suffer from the law of unintended consequences. The poor will become poorer as they spend more on booze. Those with a drink problem wont care if it costs more, it will just mean their kids will eat less.

But whatever stops the drunken Scotsman is surely a  good thing

There are always going to be winners and losers with all government legislation, this policy looks to the long terms and seeks to prevent people from becoming addicted to alcohol in the first place.
When someone has an addiction to alcohol I think its the height of insanity to give them benefits for them to freely spend down the pub - most of it should be food stamps like they do in the States

Flix wrote:I doubt the majority of drunks know the words to that these days.
As for no profit maybe the border crossing won't make a lot but people used to make a living out of getting a ferry to France and selling the booze at home, so if they could do it with overheads of ferry tickets, someone driving a few vans could, although it would need to be a warehouse type situation, you can't exactly clear out the local English Asda on a regular basis without raising suspicion after all, the bootleg stuff is already making a decent profit.