Business groups 'watching in horror' as they plead with MPs to stop no-deal Brexit

Five leading business groups have joined forces to urge politicians to prevent a no-deal Brexit as firms "reach the point of no return" ahead of the UK's departure from the EU on 29 March.


The CBI, British Chambers of Commerce, Institute of Directors, Federation of Small Businesses and the EEF, the manufacturers' organisation, expressed dismay that MPs had descended into factional in-fighting as the risk of exiting the EU without a deal rises. ......... ...


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Of course they are watching in horror

The thought of their cheap Eastern European Labour workforce drying up and them no longer being able to exploit and under pay their employees must be keeping them. Up at night

We're being herded away from green pastures, back into the pen, and at the back of the queue with our begging bowl.

fatbob5 wrote:Five leading business groups have joined forces to urge politicians to prevent a no-deal Brexit as firms "reach the point of no return" ahead of the UK's departure from the EU on 29 March.


The CBI, British Chambers of Commerce, Institute of Directors, Federation of Small Businesses and the EEF, the manufacturers' organisation, expressed dismay that MPs had descended into factional in-fighting as the risk of exiting the EU without a deal rises. ......... ...


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is that the same CBI that gets quite a large bung from the EU every year?
there are many business leaders who are saying WTO terms are no problem at all

Thorney Sam wrote:We're being herded away from green pastures, back into the pen, and at the back of the queue with our begging bowl.

we are being herded away from green pastures of a 400 million person market into the greener pastures of a 6.5 billion person market

Flap Zappa wrote:
we are being herded away from green pastures of a 400 million person market into the greener pastures of a 6.5 billion person market

That does not make any sense, but then the other poster has an unhealthy relationship with his toaster whilst quoting the advice of holocaust denying fascists and their agents of fake news! 

We are being herded away from fresh and luscious green pastures and the promise of a clean break, more than adaquate WTO rules and the best of British entrepreneurial zeal and innovation, In order to be herded back into the pen of the Franco German controlled EU.

The ERG have been discovered worthless and labelled extremists by the chancellor, they were easily and shamefully defeated, they offered up neither a logical or positive plan on our departure from the EU nor did they offer any resistance to the treachery now unfolding before our eyes.

We are led by political pygmies!

Thorney Sam wrote:

Flap Zappa wrote:
we are being herded away from green pastures of a 400 million person market into the greener pastures of a 6.5 billion person market

That does not make any sense, but then the other poster has an unhealthy relationship with his toaster whilst quoting the advice of holocaust denying fascists and their agents of fake news! 

We are being herded away from fresh and luscious green pastures and the promise of a clean break, more than adaquate WTO rules and the best of British entrepreneurial zeal and innovation, In order to be herded back into the pen of the Franco German controlled EU.

The ERG have been discovered worthless and labelled extremists by the chancellor, they were easily and shamefully defeated, they offered up neither a logical or positive plan on our departure from the EU nor did they offer any resistance to the treachery now unfolding before our eyes.

We are led by political pygmies!

well I shall try to explain it to you. The EU market accounts for around 40% of our trade and has been falling for many years with a massive deficit imbalance with trade with them, whilst trade with the rest of the world, that's the 6.5 billion, accounts for 60%, and growing, of our trade and is in a huge surplus. We will do better with trading and making deals with countries outside the EU, rather than being in the protectionist EU with their 10's of 1000's of tariffs on goods from outside the EU. Ergo the grass is most definitely greener outside the EU than in.,
It will also allow us, should whoever is in charge, to make the country a low corporation tax country encouraging even more business to set up here and taking that business away from the ireland and luxembourg and a couple of other EU tax havens.

Also leaving on WTO terms will ensure the EU will come back with serious offers to get their own trade deal with us, as a german spokesman said only today.

Flap Zappa wrote:
well I shall try to explain it to you. The EU market accounts for around 40% of our trade and has been falling for many years with a massive deficit imbalance with trade with them, whilst trade with the rest of the world, that's the 6.5 billion, accounts for 60%, and growing, of our trade and is in a huge surplus. We will do better with trading and making deals with countries outside the EU, rather than being in the protectionist EU with their 10's of 1000's of tariffs on goods from outside the EU. Ergo the grass is most definitely greener outside the EU than in.,
It will also allow us, should whoever is in charge, to make the country a low corporation tax country encouraging even more business to set up here and taking that business away from the ireland and luxembourg and a couple of other EU tax havens.

Also leaving on WTO terms will ensure the EU will come back with serious offers to get their own trade deal with us, as a german spokesman said only today.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Maybot will sanction leave on WTO terms? She's a remoaner who will always seek the counsel of her EU handlers before any such matters are discussed with her irrelevant and extremist British cabinet ministers, this is her way, hence Amber Rudd, perhaps you're unaware of her track record, a record steeped in failure, surrender and betrayal.

Surely by now you're au fait with her modus operandi! She'll run down the clock to avoid a vote of no confidence in the government, her bill will fail and then she'll revoke or postpone article 50, cry Corbyn did it and then hold a remoaners People's vote, she always does the exact opposite of what she says she's going to do, have you learnt nothing?

And you sold me the appearance that you were less delusional than the toaster fellow!

I feel swindled! Buck up your ideas!

Sammy sammy sammy 

Don't you understand ??? Brexit is now legally binding, there is no time for a second vote which means there can be no revoking of article 50

May cannot unilaterally revoke article 50 off her own back she isn't a president with executive powers, it would have to be off the back of a vote, a vote that cannot be held in the time that remains.

A vote that cannot and will not be held, period. All running the clock down will do is ensure a no deal.

Should have been paying attention ole boy, 2300 hrs on the 29th March 2019 is when we leave the EU  deal. Or no deal, that's the law of the land. 

May's gamble is to try and scare her mps into supporting her deal, and to pressure the EU into more concessions. 

It will fail and we will leave with no deal but WTO.

I hope that is exactly what will happen !

Thorney Sam wrote:

Flap Zappa wrote:
well I shall try to explain it to you. The EU market accounts for around 40% of our trade and has been falling for many years with a massive deficit imbalance with trade with them, whilst trade with the rest of the world, that's the 6.5 billion, accounts for 60%, and growing, of our trade and is in a huge surplus. We will do better with trading and making deals with countries outside the EU, rather than being in the protectionist EU with their 10's of 1000's of tariffs on goods from outside the EU. Ergo the grass is most definitely greener outside the EU than in.,
It will also allow us, should whoever is in charge, to make the country a low corporation tax country encouraging even more business to set up here and taking that business away from the ireland and luxembourg and a couple of other EU tax havens.

Also leaving on WTO terms will ensure the EU will come back with serious offers to get their own trade deal with us, as a german spokesman said only today.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Maybot will sanction leave on WTO terms? She's a remoaner who will always seek the counsel of her EU handlers before any such matters are discussed with her irrelevant and extremist British cabinet ministers, this is her way, hence Amber Rudd, perhaps you're unaware of her track record, a record steeped in failure, surrender and betrayal.

Surely by now you're au fait with her modus operandi! She'll run down the clock to avoid a vote of no confidence in the government, her bill will fail and then she'll revoke or postpone article 50, cry Corbyn did it and then hold a remoaners People's vote, she always does the exact opposite of what she says she's going to do, have you learnt nothing?

And you sold me the appearance that you were less delusional than the toaster fellow!

I feel swindled! Buck up your ideas!

she has no choice, the eu withdrawal bill is law and we are set to leave on march 29th with a deal or on wto terms.

Thorney Sam wrote:

Flap Zappa wrote:
well I shall try to explain it to you. The EU market accounts for around 40% of our trade and has been falling for many years with a massive deficit imbalance with trade with them, whilst trade with the rest of the world, that's the 6.5 billion, accounts for 60%, and growing, of our trade and is in a huge surplus. We will do better with trading and making deals with countries outside the EU, rather than being in the protectionist EU with their 10's of 1000's of tariffs on goods from outside the EU. Ergo the grass is most definitely greener outside the EU than in.,
It will also allow us, should whoever is in charge, to make the country a low corporation tax country encouraging even more business to set up here and taking that business away from the ireland and luxembourg and a couple of other EU tax havens.

Also leaving on WTO terms will ensure the EU will come back with serious offers to get their own trade deal with us, as a german spokesman said only today.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Maybot will sanction leave on WTO terms? She's a remoaner who will always seek the counsel of her EU handlers before any such matters are discussed with her irrelevant and extremist British cabinet ministers, this is her way, hence Amber Rudd, perhaps you're unaware of her track record, a record steeped in failure, surrender and betrayal.

Surely by now you're au fait with her modus operandi! She'll run down the clock to avoid a vote of no confidence in the government, her bill will fail and then she'll revoke or postpone article 50, cry Corbyn did it and then hold a remoaners People's vote, she always does the exact opposite of what she says she's going to do, have you learnt nothing?

And you sold me the appearance that you were less delusional than the toaster fellow!

I feel swindled! Buck up your ideas!

she cannot revoke article 50 she could ask the HOC to revoke it I suppose, revoking it means Brexit is over, and there may well be some MP's who are fed up of being on the gravy train and no longer want to be MP's.

Flap Zappa wrote:
she has no choice, the eu withdrawal bill is law and we are set to leave on march 29th with a deal or on wto terms.

How many countries are currently trading on WTO terms?

So, you'd surrender without a fight then ?

Thorney Sam wrote:Perhaps it passed you by!


"When a member state has notified the European Council of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, as the UK has done, that member state is free to revoke unilaterally that notification" 


The ruling is one of the fastest ever made by the court, which normally takes a matter of months to come to a conclusion, even when a case is fast-tracked.

This ruling was made conveniently on the day before the scheduled vote on Mays deal, May then had discussions with her EU handlers behind her cabinet ministers backs, where she was told it was now safe to pull the vote.


At the very same time she allowed her cabinet ministers to continue promoting the delivery of that vote, despite already pulling that vote due to the significance of the ECJ ruling.


The government, for the first time in its history has been found in contempt of parliament, brexiteers have been defeated, the remainder controlled cabinet are falling into line on a people's vote or to revoke, David Gauke is the latest advocate threatening resignation if the PM pursues a no deal, a second vote in my opinion will cause civil unrest, so the only majority in Parliament will be to revoke article 50.


We will be a hostage to the spectacle of watching the can being kicked down the road for the foreseeable future, or at least until we accept defeat.

that has nothing to do with BRITISH parliment and how it works

that is just the EU shitting their pants and saying we can withdraw article 50 if we want, its a two way relationship and they have just cleared the way from their side.

brexit is now written into law and nothing can stop it, it doesnt matter which govt is in charge, its still british law. everything needed to change that law doesnt exist, and if it could be brought into existence it wont happen before trhe 29th march next year

anyone thinks we are somehow going to revoke article 50 and stay in are dreaming

+1

Thorney Sam wrote:

Flap Zappa wrote:
we are being herded away from green pastures of a 400 million person market into the greener pastures of a 6.5 billion person market

That does not make any sense, but then the other poster has an unhealthy relationship with his toaster whilst quoting the advice of holocaust denying fascists and their agents of fake news! 

We are being herded away from fresh and luscious green pastures and the promise of a clean break, more than adaquate WTO rules and the best of British entrepreneurial zeal and innovation, In order to be herded back into the pen of the Franco German controlled EU.

The ERG have been discovered worthless and labelled extremists by the chancellor, they were easily and shamefully defeated, they offered up neither a logical or positive plan on our departure from the EU nor did they offer any resistance to the treachery now unfolding before our eyes.

We are led by political pygmies!

you seem a little confused as you dont seem to be able to pick a side and keep to it.
there is nothing to fear from WTO rules and once we have severed ties we can get to grips with creating FTA's with thriving economies, not stuck with the dead one of the EU

fatbob5 wrote:

Flap Zappa wrote:
she has no choice, the eu withdrawal bill is law and we are set to leave on march 29th with a deal or on wto terms.

How many countries are currently trading on WTO terms?

most countries trade on WTO terms with ones they do not have agreements with, even you beloved EU who like the UK is a founding member, although we are also founding members of it's predecessor GATT

Thorney Sam wrote:Perhaps it passed you by!


"When a member state has notified the European Council of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, as the UK has done, that member state is free to revoke unilaterally that notification" 


The ruling is one of the fastest ever made by the court, which normally takes a matter of months to come to a conclusion, even when a case is fast-tracked.

This ruling was made conveniently on the day before the scheduled vote on Mays deal, May then had discussions with her EU handlers behind her cabinet ministers backs, where she was told it was now safe to pull the vote.


At the very same time she allowed her cabinet ministers to continue promoting the delivery of that vote, despite already pulling that vote due to the significance of the ECJ ruling.


The government, for the first time in its history has been found in contempt of parliament, brexiteers have been defeated, the remainder controlled cabinet are falling into line on a people's vote or to revoke, David Gauke is the latest advocate threatening resignation if the PM pursues a no deal, a second vote in my opinion will cause civil unrest, so the only majority in Parliament will be to revoke article 50.


We will be a hostage to the spectacle of watching the can being kicked down the road for the foreseeable future, or at least until we accept defeat.

how convenient that the EJC rules in favour, although to be fair it didn't. It gave an opinion

Flap Zappa wrote:
most countries trade on WTO terms with ones they do not have agreements with, even you beloved EU who like the UK is a founding member, although we are also founding members of it's predecessor GATT

But those countries are going to be the ones where there isnt much trade

fatbob5 wrote:

Flap Zappa wrote:
most countries trade on WTO terms with ones they do not have agreements with, even you beloved EU who like the UK is a founding member, although we are also founding members of it's predecessor GATT

But those countries are going to be the ones where there isnt much trade

161 countries are members of the WTO, including most of the people we trade with,
It also means that you cannot place punitive tariffs on a country, the only time you can is if you are in specific trade deal with them, which would suggest the EU could not impose excessive tariffs on UK goods just to make us suffer.

Flap Zappa wrote:
161 countries are members of the WTO, including most of the people we trade with,
It also means that you cannot place punitive tariffs on a country, the only time you can is if you are in specific trade deal with them, which would suggest the EU could not impose excessive tariffs on UK goods just to make us suffer.

How many countries exclusively trade under WTO rules?

fatbob5 wrote:
How many countries exclusively trade under WTO rules?

Probably none 

Because the WTO isn't like the EU, it doesn't demand everyone stick rigidly to its rules FORVER  

its a baseline, a start point. It levels the playing field and allows partners to reach equal terms,before they move on to more sophisticated and tailored agreements that suit each individual trade agreement.

Flap Zappa wrote:
you seem a little confused as you dont seem to be able to pick a side and keep to it.
there is nothing to fear from WTO rules and once we have severed ties we can get to grips with creating FTA's with thriving economies, not stuck with the dead one of the EU

This is not about picking sides, and your trust and faith in this government and its Brexit process seems somewhat naive and rather misplaced. The Maybot is stubborn enough to push her deal, not because she thinks she'll succeed but because it continues to run the clock down, despite her protestations her actions dictate to robust interlocutors that she will not allow a no deal scenario, the majority of her cabinet will not allow a no deal situation and at least two thirds of the Conservative party due to their vested interests will not tolerate a no deal exit.

The can will be kicked further down the road!