Business groups 'watching in horror' as they plead with MPs to stop no-deal Brexit

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Five leading business groups have joined forces to urge politicians to prevent a no-deal Brexit as firms "reach the point of no return" ahead of the UK's departure from the EU on 29 March.


The CBI, British Chambers of Commerce, Institute of Directors, Federation of Small Businesses and the EEF, the manufacturers' organisation, expressed dismay that MPs had descended into factional in-fighting as the risk of exiting the EU without a deal rises. ......... ...


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Flap Zappa wrote:
how convenient that the EJC rules in favour, although to be fair it didn't. It gave an opinion

An opinion when held by a majority can become a motion, and a Bill, a Bill to revoke or delay, the enactment of the act by both houses can be placed at 2259hrs on the 29th of March 2019.

"A Bill can start in the Commons or the Lords and must be approved in the same form by both Houses before becoming an Act (law)."

Such vagaries as the proceedings and timings will be at the discretion of the speaker and his clerks.

smelly-bandit wrote:

that has nothing to do with BRITISH parliment and how it works

that is just the EU shitting their pants and saying we can withdraw article 50 if we want, its a two way relationship and they have just cleared the way from their side.

brexit is now written into law and nothing can stop it, it doesnt matter which govt is in charge, its still british law. everything needed to change that law doesnt exist, and if it could be brought into existence it wont happen before trhe 29th march next year

anyone thinks we are somehow going to revoke article 50 and stay in are dreaming

They don't have to revoke it, they can call for an extension, infact they can kick it down the road, forever! although my guess is that they'll probably revoke it because the pressure of project fear continues to intensify, and that appears to be the current direction of travel.

No one, not one constituency MP has grabbed Brexit by the neck and forged a path to greener pastures, its been nothing but surrender from the start.

nicko wrote:So, you'd surrender without a fight then ?

And which household appliances has your confidence?

My Wife !

Thorney Sam wrote:

They don't have to revoke it, they can call for an extension, infact they can kick it down the road, forever! although my guess is that they'll probably revoke it because the pressure of project fear continues to intensify, and that appears to be the current direction of travel.

No one, not one constituency MP has grabbed Brexit by the neck and forged a path to greener pastures, its been nothing but surrender from the start.

Your guess??

They will probably revoke it??

You are basing your views on anything concrete, just feelings. 

What I know is that Brexit is written into law, it has a definite implementation date and there is no way of changing that,because the process to change that would take more time than they have left. 

May is having her vote for in January so when she gets voted down, how on earth can she then put together a referendum, win it, and then make it law, all in 3 months??

Not possible

nicko wrote:My Wife !

Thorney Sam wrote:

Flap Zappa wrote:
how convenient that the EJC rules in favour, although to be fair it didn't. It gave an opinion

An opinion when held by a majority can become a motion, and a Bill, a Bill to revoke or delay, the enactment of the act by both houses can be placed at 2259hrs on the 29th of March 2019.

"A Bill can start in the Commons or the Lords and must be approved in the same form by both Houses before becoming an Act (law)."

Such vagaries as the proceedings and timings will be at the discretion of the speaker and his clerks.

it could be, but it could not be debated or passed before we have left

The government can bypass parliament to revoke article 50 and it does not need to pass legislation to revoke article 50.

Brexit news latest: UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50 and reverse Brexit, top EU law officer says


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smelly-bandit wrote:

Your guess??

They will probably revoke it??

You are basing your views on anything concrete, just feelings. 

What I know is that Brexit is written into law, it has a definite implementation date and there is no way of changing that,because the process to change that would take more time than they have left. 

May is having her vote for in January so when she gets voted down, how on earth can she then put together a referendum, win it, and then make it law, all in 3 months??

Not possible

I think it's common knowledge that any commentary on how these events will proceed are entirely speculative.

Under normal circumstances the Maybot would have been replaced after the disaster of the last GE, I think Thatcher had more votes in a confidence motion and resigned, if a prime minister was unable to pass her bill through Parliament then resignation would automatically follow.

All roads lead to revoking article 50, the timing of the ruling and the fact that parliament only has a majority to stop a no deal scenario makes this a strong possibility!

fatbob5 wrote:Brexit news latest: UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50 and reverse Brexit, top EU law officer says


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So?? 

Article 50 can also be unilaterally trigger by any country choosing to do so, not sure what the point is.

Thorney Sam wrote:
I think it's common knowledge that any commentary on how these events will proceed are entirely speculative.

Under normal circumstances the Maybot would have been replaced after the disaster of the last GE, I think Thatcher had more votes in a confidence motion and resigned, if a prime minister was unable to pass her bill through Parliament then resignation would automatically follow.

All roads lead to revoking article 50, the timing of the ruling and the fact that parliament only has a majority to stop a no deal scenario makes this a strong possibility!

All roads lead to revoking article 50??

Who is going to do that then???

smelly-bandit wrote:Of course they are watching in horror

The thought of their cheap Eastern European Labour workforce drying up and them no longer being able to exploit and under pay their employees must be keeping them. Up at night

Fancy that
Smelly Bandit concerned about the exploitation of East European workers.

Smells - are you turning into a SJW?

fatbob5 wrote:
Fancy that
Smelly Bandit concerned about the exploitation of East European workers.

Smells - are you turning into a SJW?

I'm actually more concerned about the negative impact it is having on wages in general and specifically for brits, perhaps if you understood cause and effect you might understand the hostilities towards immigration  

But that would require you to think, and why think for yourself when you can just screech "waist" at everything eh??

smelly-bandit wrote:

All roads lead to revoking article 50??

Who is going to do that then???

A Merry Christmas to you and your toaster.

Indeed who's going to do that!, one would suggest the centrist Parliament in government.

Thorney Sam wrote:

A Merry Christmas to you and your toaster.

Indeed who's going to do that!, one would suggest the centrist Parliament in government.

Acting unilaterally and independently??

I think you have been listening to too many remainer broadcasts. 

I think what you will find is about to happen is that may has taken a gamble to pressure those opposed to her deal into signing it off, in a "shit just got real" moment.

It is now clear she is saying its her deal or no deal. It is my view that her gamble will backfire. 

Too many hardliners want a no deal exit, Corbyn wants a full exit in order to pursue his mad communist ideas, she simply doesn't have the numbers to get it through. 

If her deal is voted down  that's it, no deal is the only option left. She survived a no confidence vote and is untouchable for a year, so no second referendum, no revoking of article 50.

Besides   the cat is out the bag now, if you think there is any chance of not leaving, you're dreaming, all that will happen is parties like UKIP will reap the benefits and 10 years 20 years down the line this issue will be redressed

Maybe Father Christmas will sort out this Brexit Shitstorm

fatbob5 wrote:Maybe Father Christmas will sort out this Brexit Shitstorm

A Merry Christmas to you.

I do hope so, I, along with the majority, some 17.4 million voters took part in the greatest exercise of democracy this country has ever participated in and we voted to leave.

Therefore we must leave.